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Rajeev Ram's avatar

Has been so long since I've heard the story of Bhasmasura, I forgot it existed. Really good tale to pick; complete exemplar of the role the divine, as feminine, plays in putting uncontrolled ambition/power in check –– through craftiness and allure, not confrontation. The asura leads himself to his own downfall through ungrounded desire. Shiva calls in Vishnu because the former knows the latter can tackle the problem with subtlety and play. Some conflicts are best resolved with ingenuity rather than brute force. Agency is knowing which to deploy when; a fundamentally interdependent collaboration, even within the auspicious machinations of God.

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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

I enjoyed reading this, though I have to admit it is mostly over my head. I have no facility with the poetic and am limited to what's more concrete. So, let me ask two questions to try to understand.

1. Do you think there's any inborne, natural temperament or personality traits involved here? You seem to describe agency as something that must be cultivated or taught, and while you state that the proper method for inculcating this is variable depending on a person's individual, I can't tell if you think there's also a sort of inherent temperamental capacity. In other words, if someone was never encouraged or cultivated in this capacity, is it impossible they would develop agency on their own? Or the other way around...if someone were naturally headstrong and stubborn, but raised in a family and society dedicated to making them obey and repressing those characteristics, would it work? I suppose I have generally assumed agency to be the result of a surplus of confidence in one's own thoughts and capacity for achieving one's own ends, such that one simply disregards the opinions of most others.

2. Does your definition of agency require that it is put to positive or productive ends? I somewhat get that sense, though you don't say it. But for example, is a serial killer who gets away for decades or maybe their whole life with murdering people agentic? It seems to me that they are. All of society and everyone they've ever known has told them it's bad and not acceptable to kill people. They decide they don't care, they want to murder people anyway, and then go and do it. Is that agentic in your opinion or is it not bc it indicates being insane in some way?

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